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Saxicolous crust from coastal northern California - Porpidia?

  • 14 Sep 2025 8:02 PM
    Message # 13542130

    Hi all,


    I collected this saxicolous crust from a rock in view of the ocean in northern California, as part of a CALS bioblitz.  I think it might be Porpidia (crustulata?) but was hoping to get input from more experienced folks.   My ID notes are below:


    A crustose lichen where the thallus is partly eroded away and elsewhere quite thin, patchy and cream-colored, with a green algal photobiont. The lecideine apothechia are 0.5-1.5 mm in diameter and cross-sections show a pale hymenium, dark blue-green epihymenium and a dark brown hypothecium. Asci are narrow and contain eight simple, hyaline spores measuring about 13 x 8-9 microns. Polarized light shows some POL-positive streaks in the hymenium and small crystals in the epihymenium. The exciple appears quite narrow and is hard to see well, but appears to be brown. KI staining is hard for me to interpret.


    Thanks!

    Ken S.

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  • 15 Sep 2025 6:52 AM
    Reply # 13542238 on 13542130

    Lecidella asema?

  • 15 Sep 2025 7:43 AM
    Reply # 13542272 on 13542130
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    That pigmentation pattern is typical for a number of Lecidella species. The iodine reaction of the tholus shows very well in one photo, also typical of Lecidella. I think that L. asema is likely.

  • 15 Sep 2025 8:36 AM
    Reply # 13542294 on 13542130

    Thanks so much to both of you!  I foolishly discounted Lecidella pretty quickly in the Microlichens of the PNW key because of a couplet I struggle with often (couplet 16 on page 74 of vol. 1) - even with strong squishing of the coverslip, I had trouble dissociating the hymenium and it seemed very cohesive and gel-like, so "paraphyses free in water" didn't seem right.  Any shortcuts to Lecidella or better ways to understand that couplet would be much appreciated! :)  



  • 16 Sep 2025 4:57 AM
    Reply # 13542611 on 13542130
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Sometime the paraphyses are freer than others, but you can always find a few individual paraphyses splaying away from others on the edges after a little pressure. This is unlike a true Lecidea where the hymenium tends to fragment in blocks.

  • 16 Sep 2025 6:50 AM
    Reply # 13542656 on 13542130

    Got it - thanks Bruce!  


    By the way, it is patently unfair that Lecidella is apparently part of the Lecanoraceae and not Lecidaceae!  

    Last modified: 16 Sep 2025 6:55 AM | Anonymous member
  • 06 Dec 2025 9:10 AM
    Reply # 13570452 on 13542130

    Hi all,


    I thought it would be of interest to post a quick follow up on this specimen - I was able to get an ITS DNA barcode and it matches to Lecidella as best I can tell, but does not seem to be a perfect match to L. asema or anything else in Genbank by a BLAST search. 


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/PX532388.1?report=GenBank

  • 07 Dec 2025 7:51 AM
    Reply # 13570632 on 13542130
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Sounds reasonable. Most crusts from W N Am are still poorly represented in Genbank. So landing in the genus but having ambiguity about the species is a common outcome.

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