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Lichen? Turquoise color?

  • 05 Apr 2019 1:30 PM
    Message # 7262333

    Hello lichenologists. I found your site the other day and wonder if you might have thoughts on a question I've had for some time. 


    More than ten years ago I noticed a patch of turquoise blue on a large boulder. I was (and am) charmed and intrigued by the color. I've posted photos from March 2019, January 2009 and January 2008


    The boulder is at the edge of a forest, next to a salt water beach and near a freshwater stream. The boulder has moss and lichens growing on it. 


    Questions:

    Is this a lichen?


    If it is a lichen:

    Is this color typical for this lichen or non-typical?


    Is this a color pigment made by a photosynthetic partner or the fungal partner or made in cooperation?


    What is the molecule (or molecules, or ion) that causes this color?


    Thank you,

    Karen

  • 06 Apr 2019 11:41 AM
    Reply # 7263361 on 7262333

    It sure looks like paint to me. Pretty definitely not a lichen!

  • 06 Apr 2019 3:55 PM
    Reply # 7263668 on 7262333

    You should collect a tiny amount to look at under a microscope. It looks like some kind of slime mold to me.

  • 07 Apr 2019 5:57 AM
    Reply # 7264115 on 7262333

    Or it could be a crust fungus. Chlorociboria aeruginascens is that color, although it’s lignicolous.


    I found this page while going down a rabbit-hole: http://www.parvarium.com/chemlife/Fungi.html If you’re interested in color-causing compounds of lichens/fungi, you may find it interesting.

  • 07 Apr 2019 4:07 PM
    Reply # 7264706 on 7262333

    Thanks for the ideas.


    The crust fungus idea is interesting. I went looking for pictures and found some that are blue (slightly different in color from my unknown.) The overall form I see in the photos of some crust fungus looks flat and thus similar to my unknown.


    Thank you for pointing me to Chlorociboria aeruginascens. The color is is very similar to my unknown. I enjoyed learning about them. The descriptions of Chlorociboria note their cup shaped fruiting body. My unknown is quite flat.


    Thanks for the reference about fungal pigments. The pigment xylindein made by Chlorociboria seems similar in color to my unknown.


    The crust fungus and Chlorociboria are both are described as growing on wood. My unknown was not on wood - it was on rock.


    We scraped a bit off the rock and brought it back to look at with a dissecting scope. The turquoise color material seems to be a layer on the surface of a paler color material of similar texture. The material is hard (though one could poke a needle through it and make a hole). We put it in water and it didn’t change. Texture seemed uniform, with an impression of material made up of uniform tiny bits that reflected light  in way that gave a slight “speckled” appearance.  


    Could see nothing that looked like cells or hyphae. Even wondered if it was some kind of mineral. But now we’re wondering if it is some kind of biological secretion. 

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