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Nodobryoria in biocrust

  • 20 Apr 2016 7:22 AM
    Message # 3973351

    I was excited to find this Nodobryoria in the biocrust (photo in gallery). According to the Macrolichen PNW key since it's ground dwelling it's N. subdivergens, but it wasn't very prostrate. I also wanted to make sure because I found it on a very shaded north facing steep slope and there were other things on the ground like Hypogymnia and Parmelia that I wouldn't expect. Are there physical characteristics of that Nodobryoria?

    Thanks!

  • 20 Apr 2016 10:48 AM
    Reply # 3974094 on 3973351


    Interestingly, I've only seen it adjacent to or coming out of Ochrolechia.


  • 21 Apr 2016 7:48 AM
    Reply # 3976154 on 3973351
    Bruce McCune (Administrator)

    There are supposed to be some subtle morphological differences between N. divergens and oregana, but it is hard to know what represents environmental influence and what is genetically determined.


    You are right about you hunch about areas where epiphytes have taken hold on rock and moss/lichen mats, normal epiphytes like Hypogymnia, Platismatia, and Cetraria. In that context I would just assume the Nodobryoria was N. oregana or abbreviata.


    There is (or was) supposedly real N. subdivergens from the Bitterroot alpine peaks right above you. A couple of my specimens from there (long ago) were verified by Irwin Brodo. Those were growing in alpine tundra. Someone needs to do molecular studies to see if there are any genetic differences from the N. oregana growing in the nearby canyons.


  • 21 Apr 2016 9:01 PM
    Reply # 3977207 on 3973351

    Thanks Bruce. I've seen it a few more time with no other epiphytes present. These sites are very "cold" and shady and are interesting with other community differences: new mosses and lichens not seen elsewhere in the crust. 


    I found the paper by Irwin Brodo in The Bryologist (The Lichen Bryoria subdivergens (Dahl) Brodo & D. Hawksw. in Greenland and North America, 1981).

    He writes: "the main distinguishing features are the very dark, slender, much foveolate and twisted decumbent branches, arctic-alpine distribution, and lichenicolous or terricolous habitat." 


    I would really like to verify the species. N. subdivergens is listed as a species of concern in MT. It would be almost directly across the valley from the collection you made on St. Mary. Even though it is not alpine where I found it, it is on an extremely steep and north facing slope, so the microclimate could fit. 


    As far as molecular studies on Nodobryoria, I wonder if that was something I could do? There are people doing genetic work at MPG so our lab may be equipped, but I don't know much about it. Or could I send samples out somewhere?

    Thanks for your help!

    Last modified: 21 Apr 2016 9:09 PM | Rebecca Durham
  • 03 May 2016 3:39 PM
    Reply # 4001080 on 3973351

    OK, well, here is where I sheepishly say that I was too hasty in assigning it a genus.

    The soralia are P+R, and all signs (one sign being an email from Irwin Brodo) point to Bryoria chalybeiformis.

    But still it is pretty exciting!


  • 04 May 2016 6:51 AM
    Reply # 4001975 on 3973351
    Bruce McCune (Administrator)

    That Nodobryoria problem _does_ need a molecular study, and I don't know of anyone who has tackled that particular one. If you haven't encountered real Nodobryoria on the ground yet, at some point you will!


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